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Swingline · Nov 29, 2011, 02:54 AM // 02:54

I see people asking super high amounts for 20/19 zodiac, celestial and dragon staves. The prices range from 30-60e but I have yet to see someone buy one for these amounts. My intuition tells me these traders are full of it but I am curious as to what others think.

The Mountain · Nov 29, 2011, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Close to two years ago, I sold my 20/19 r9 fire celestial for 45e, and I could see a dragon with the same stats going for 60, perhaps.

But a r12 20/19 blood magic celestial? Merchfood. R9 blood cele might be worth 50k to the right buyer...imo.

jimbo32 · Nov 29, 2011, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Personally I wouldn't pay much more for 20/19 than I would for 20/10, but I guess there's always people who love certain skins who are willing to pay crazy amounts. Still, I can't imagine there's too many 20/19 Celestials going for 30e+.

As Mountain said, I suppose I could maybe see it if it was something with really high demand and rarity that would go for 200e+ in q9 20/20.

Also, there's sometimes no explaining where sellers get their prices. I've seen a few q9 20/10 Canthan staves (Outcast for instance) priced at 20e+ lately which is at least as preposterous as 60e for 20/19.

superraptors · Nov 29, 2011, 09:29 AM // 09:29

probably needle in haystack that someone is willing to buy an imperfect staff for that much, id be happy if i could get away with 30-50k to sell a 20/19

dark horni worm · Nov 29, 2011, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I'm one of the people selling them for these prices

The idea behind it is that 20/20's of these skins (cele, dragon, zod) are almost impossible to find. I spent an enormous amount of time looking for a 20/20 air dragon staff, I haven't seen a single one yet. I then paid 60e for a req9 20/19 one. 1 Off isn't so bad to me. At least better than paying 300e+ for a perfect one. I can understand people being angry about these prices, but actually, if you don't like what the seller's asking, don't buy the staff. I'm convinced that there are people out there willing to pay them though.

o m g pizowned · Nov 29, 2011, 08:00 PM // 20:00

1% off and people think its merchfood.....lol
20/20 in popular attributes sell for 200e+, and no one is willing to pay 100k for a 20/19?

Masacru Ak · Nov 29, 2011, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Example : Im still trying to sell my Celestial Staff Q9 Fire 20/19 for only 20e and people saying is to much . I payed for mine Celestial Staff Q9 Fire 20/20 500e+.
Agree with Omg Pizowned 1% and people think is merchfood
Dark Horni they are imposible not all of them, im agree with Dragon Staves, those are more rare then Celestials and Zodiacs, i saw Zodiacs 20/20 lots , even me i got 2 or 3 20/20 Zodiacs.Then sell it for price that is not worth i better keep it for my heros if people think even 20/19 are so expensive .
Sorry my english is bad , hope i made myself ......

LicensedLuny · Nov 29, 2011, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Does anyone know a rough ratio between the prices for Platinum Staff to Celestial, Zodiac and/or Dragon Staffs?

In the past week I bought two 20/19 Platinum Staffs from salva's thread.

- r11 Earth 20/19 for 100k (75k after bulk discounts, say ~10e)
- r12 Channeling 20/19 for 80k (60k after bulk discounts, say ~8e)

Those prices were the listed in the picture he had on OP. To me, the staffs looked shiny; prices were right there up front and didn't strike me as outrageous, given what little I know about staff PC; I bought them. Simple. No regrets. Short of coming up with full 20/20 versions and finding I've no room to keep these 20/19s, I can't imagine trying to resell them.

I don't know how Platinum Staffs rate in terms of PC vs. Celestials and Zodiacs, as I never mess with those last two skins. Given identically statted Platinum Staff and Dragon Staff, the Dragon Staff is likely to be worth a lot more, right?

So, if desperate for data points of actual trades, maybe that can help?

I know the 1-off turns many folks off, but in general, 20/19 (matched) inherent staffs strike me as harder to find and potentially more useful than 20/10 versions. I can't be the only one who feels that way.

Hope it helps!

EDIT - I was reading/posting this when fairly sleepy. My intention was to offer recent actual sale data for comparison purposes if anyone had a good feel on how the prices relate between Platinum Staffs and those skins mentioned in the OP. I accidentally those words from the first sentence when I posted this, my apologies! I put them in now.

Clearly, we're all fairly experienced with the ways actual rarity doesn't always track with price. (And I'm quite experienced with the skins I like having a higher chance the overall market considers them common, boring, ugly, and/or undesired. Conversely, the skins I don't like seem more likely to be considered very leet and highly desirable. It leaves me unsure how to PC things based on skin a lot of the time, as I won't watch sales nor remember prices of things I don't like in the first place.)

@ salva

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Originally Posted by salvatore888

Oh and btw Luny , i consider these plat staves i sold you fairly cheap <3

I never saw matched 20/20 or 20/19 Plats for sale before, so I trusted you to know fair prices to list. You had those prices; I didn't have to figure out what offer would not risk offending; they were very shiny. So I'm happy with my new pixels - Thanks again! If I got 'em cheap, groovy, but it wouldn't bug me if it turned out I overpaid either.

My only motivation for posting here was offering recent, actual trade prices on 20/19 Factions-skin staffs. I thought such might help those trying to determine what prices are reasonable vs. what prices are not, that's all.

dark horni worm · Nov 29, 2011, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

Does anyone know a rough ratio between Platinum Staff to Celestial, Zodiac and/or Dragon Staffs?

In the past week I bought two 20/19 Platinum Staffs from salva's thread.

- r11 Earth 20/19 for 100k (75k after bulk discounts, say ~10e)
- r12 Channeling 20/19 for 80k (60k after bulk discounts, say ~8e)

Those prices were the listed in the picture he had on OP. To me, the staffs looked shiny; prices were right there up front and didn't strike me as outrageous, given what little I know about staff PC; I bought them. Simple. No regrets. Short of coming up with full 20/20 versions and finding I've no room to keep these 20/19s, I can't imagine trying to resell them.

I don't know how Platinum Staffs rate in terms of PC vs. Celestials and Zodiacs, as I never mess with those last two skins. Given identically statted Platinum Staff and Dragon Staff, the Dragon Staff is likely to be worth a lot more, right?

So, if desperate for data points of actual trades, maybe that can help?

I know the 1-off turns many folks off, but in general, 20/19 (matched) inherent staffs strike me as harder to find and potentially more useful than 20/10 versions. I can't be the only one who feels that way.

Hope it helps!

The dragon staff will indeed be worth more. Platinum staves are hard to come by too (almost all canthan staves are), but it seems they're just a less desired skin. In general, I'd say a plat staff identical to a dragon staff, will have 2/3 or 1/2 of the value. IMO, dragon>zodiac>celestial>platinum. Just based on my experiences in staff trading though.

And yes, 20/19 is a downer for most people. Since it's not perfect, the staff suddenly loses its value to most collectors. People actually using the staves won't mind, since a 20/20 version of the skin and attribute you want only pops up if you're extremely lucky.

jimbo32 · Nov 29, 2011, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I think for pure rarity, Platinum beats dragon and zodiac. Celestial isn't even in the same category imo. I'd also say that a q9 20/20 Plat staff would go for more than a Celestial with the same stats. Maybe zodiac too.

Anyway, I didn't see anyone here claiming that all 20/19 were mechfood, so I don't know where people are getting that from. Mountain said that he thought q12 Blood Celestial 20/19 was merchfood. That's obviously debatable, but I think everyone will agree that Blood isn't a popular attribute, and the one-off and high req doesn't help either.

Swingline · Nov 30, 2011, 12:12 AM // 00:12

No one here said all 20/19s are merchfood. Just the high req, unpopular atts and less desired skins are such as the example Mountain gave. That kind of staff may not be merch food to some but others see it as not worth it because the imperfect staff market is smaller than the eye of a needle.

I do think 60e for a Q9 20/19 air dragon staff is way too much and I have never known someone that even wanted to pay that much for any 20/19 dragon staff. I think you realize you over payed and want your money back.

I would rather get a Q9 20/10 air for 30e.

If rarity of staves is an issue then heres my opinion of how rare certain skins are...

1. Platinum - Does not drop from a certain mob or area
2. Dragon - Same as Platinum
3. Bo - Can be farmed in Cho's Estate
4. Zodiac - Found in the elite areas of The Deep/Urgoz
5. Celestial - Can be solo farmed from Mantids outside Naphui.

expugnare · Nov 30, 2011, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Just to give some context, I have sold these following 20/19's

R9 Bo Fire: 55e
R9 Zodiac Fire: 50e, 45e, 45e
R9 Celestial Fire: 35e

None of these were easy sale, all of them were done by sitting in Kama for hours. But yes, people are more than willing to pay over 100k for these staves, you just have to be patient. I'm 100% certain I could have gotten more for the Celestial, if I was willing to spend the time selling-- same with the Bo, I at one time a few months ago had an offer of 65e but I got coldfeet and later lost the seller's name.

Also, I agree with Swingline's estimate about staff rarity.

salvatore888 · Nov 30, 2011, 02:35 AM // 02:35

20/19 matched attribute are way rarer than 20/10s imo.
I have id'ed countless Bo/Dragon/Platinums , have got tons of 20/10s, a few 20/19s and even fewer 20/20s.
Celestials can't even get compared , when you can steadily(and easily) get at least 5 / hr chestrunning Xaquang , so there should be no 20/19 Celestial
worth over 50-100k imo.Still , they are more desired than zodiacs as it seems.
Bo can be farmed too , but in a harder and less effective way.
Dragons and platinums are an entirely different story. You might farm mobs that are supposed to drop them and not get a single one in a week.
I don't see why someone wouldn't pay much for a 20/19 Dragon or Platinum.
A req.9 20/20 fire Dragon could easily fetch 1000e+ , so why should a req.9 20/19 one be worth 100 times less?
1% off would discourage high end collectors but not potential users anyway.
So yeah , 30-60e for q9 20/19 , but just in some special occasions.

Oh and btw Luny , i consider these plat staves i sold you fairly cheap <3

The Mountain · Nov 30, 2011, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I, too, agree with the relative rarities of the staffs in question. That said, rarity is only one factor in the price equation, as we all know.

20/19 is far more rare than 20/10. I've ID'd far more than 100 celestial staves (ran TT HM through 6000 orso chests), and probably around 20% were 20/10. Out of these all, I had one matched 20/19 (also a DF 19% prot and a spawning 19% resto) and no 20/20s.

To clarify my prior post, the r9 celestial fire I sold was not the result of spamming it for sale. One day, I saw a guy in Kama wtb that staff, either 20/20 or 20/19. I saw the same post several hours later and figured a serious buyer might have raised the spending range after sitting so long. He had, apparently, considering his first offer to me was a little less than half of what we settled on.

My remark about the blood celestial being merchfood should be taken tongue-in-cheek. I wouldn't actually merch the item (some alt toon's Livia might like it)...but I also wouldn't bother taking the time to try to sell it, knowing I'd be lucky to get 30k for it. To me, the 30k isn't worth even a couple hours spamming it for sale. Others might be happy to spend a few hours to dump it for 15-20k.

tghoodoo · Nov 30, 2011, 05:15 AM // 05:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

1. Platinum - Does not drop from a certain mob or area
2. Dragon - Same as Platinum
3. Bo - Can be farmed in Cho's Estate
4. Zodiac - Found in the elite areas of The Deep/Urgoz
5. Celestial - Can be solo farmed from Mantids outside Naphui.

Hey man, u forgot about Outcastz! They are tied to certain mobs, but as of last year sometime they are impossible to farm(would like to hear of any successful farming to these as i am almost 100% positive they are Now un-farmable). u can chest run of course but u can do that with anything on yur list 3 and down.

Just had to chime in my two cents :P

Edit: Oh! My on-subject point was that these days it really sucks selling imperfect staves. at one point a couple years ago i was selling 20/19 (outcasts) for about 150kish. one was even a q11

Swingline · Nov 30, 2011, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by tghoodoo

Hey man, u forgot about Outcastz! They are tied to certain mobs, but as of last year sometime they are impossible to farm(would like to hear of any successful farming to these as i am almost 100% positive they are Now un-farmable). u can chest run of course but u can do that with anything on yur list 3 and down.

Just had to chime in my two cents :P

Edit: Oh! My on-subject point was that these days it really sucks selling imperfect staves. at one point a couple years ago i was selling 20/19 (outcasts) for about 150kish. one was even a q11

Id put outcasts as 6th. There's a very easy outcast chest farm in rheas crater. It involves having more kurzick faction than luxon, committing suicide and rezzing in the middle of the map.

superraptors · Dec 01, 2011, 10:39 PM // 22:39

you can spend hours trying to sell something for maximum profit but that brings efficiency down alot as you can be doing other things.